7 hours for 80,000 or 100,000 ?
That’s frankly ridiculous
A new low
Hello, our school is looking for a sub teacher for 3 days on these dates:
-October 4th Thursday
-October 5th Friday
-October 8th Monday
Classes start from 3pm to 10 pm. Class materials & lessons are provided. ALl you need to do is come in to teach and leave when you are done.
The Pay is \20,000 per class / and you will only be teaching 4-5 classes a day.
If oyu are interested please send an e-mail with a RESUME to firstname.lastname@example.org
PLEASE ONLY NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS FROM ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES.
7 hours for 80,000 or 100,000 ?
That’s frankly ridiculous
A new low
You'll have to get them correctly registered- this mean a medical, getting certificates and other paperwork. They should have the correct visa and be registered with the Board of Education. I think it will be illegal otherwise.
I concur with the other commenters above.
MESSAGE TO Fly_Guy: you must be some kind of newby teacher who doesn't care how many peanuts he gets, as long as he has a few peanuts for his next ( ).
If you are a Korean head teacher, manager or director, you are certainly greedy in trying to milk foreigners for all they are worth.
People like myself struggle to provide for their family: putting food on the table, clothes, school uniforms, high school education fees, and especially preparing a child to enter college/university.
Anyone who takes this position is not in their right mind. For crying out loud, you can get online teaching that pays W20,000 an hour and even more.
Fellow expat English teachers, especially those with F visas, do not sell yourself short. Do not accept anything less than W30,000 an hour.
They would stop posting here if they were screenshot and sent to Immigration or Board of Education.
A sense of responsibility for workers and employers.
I don't think any employer here should be offering 20,000 won for part-time work if they have no other cost.
There is obviously a hardcore of illegal workers out there working for this and undermining the whole system for all of us. Rules were put in place to stop the likes of Mr. Swirls. Now, anybody can walk in and work. I see Moroccans, Egyptians, Uzbeks, Philipino, Chinese, Mexican and Turks here out here offering to teach ESL in the bongos. Not to say they aren't good at teaching or speaking, they are just not meeting the requirements here.
Some illegal workers and students are bombarding Hakwans with weekly calls and emails. Some, then walking in and bothering staff for work on occasion, after already being refused on the phone. I was told that one of them rings a place I know almost every week.
Who's enforcing? Who is checking? Nobody reports them, so it goes on. They should remove the stringent rules for all of us if they wont enforce their rules. In an ever-shrinking market, it will only get worse.
There are people who don't care, drifters. It is funny, they only care when jobs get cut and they have to find a new job. This stuff has a longterm cost.
Everythings so-well, swell until it affects them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, problem number 1 is schools who employ (or under-employ) people illegally, and those who work illegally.
But problem 2 is discrimination. As you mentioned - plenty of people from countries who aren't allowed to teach English on an E2 are still perfectly good teachers. Many of them have qualifications beyond the average backpacker (#NotAllEnglishTeachers...calm down people). To me, there's a need to rework the standards/qualifications recognized by the government to something other than a degree and the "right" passport. Honestly, I feel like having a 4-year degree is a bit discriminatory at times as well. There must be great teachers with lots of training and experience who, for whatever reason, couldn't get a 4-year degree. What a shame that the immigration office/DoE can't see the benefit in a more holistic approach to issuing language teaching visas.
But problem 2 is discrimination. As you mentioned - plenty of people from countries who aren't allowed to teach English on an E2 are still perfectly good teachers
Let us have a little respect here- they are not Teachers! Teachers go to University to become so, and it is rude of you to say they are unskilled. You are saying anybody can be a teacher, it is not true. There are perfectly good instructors here, that is different.
I don't agree that anybody should be allowed to teach here, you obviously have never heard of Mr. Swirls and previous issues. I meet many people here pretending, thinking they are great teachers but are deluded.
When you have done 10 years of ESL instruction, saved a good whack of cash, injected some back into Korean economy and do something for Korea, not just pay off a student loan, let me know. I see a lot of Takers here, not many Returners.
I said that those who aren't from the USA/UK/Ireland/S Africa/NZ/Australia, but who have proper credentials (training and experience) should be able to. It's a flaw in the immigration office's policy.
I did understand what you meant. However, there is a big difference to how English is taught and spoken in the countries you might be thinking of. I believe Koreans may want a certain kind of spoken English and accent. There is always a possibility of being taught broken or pidgin English. This is possible with somebody who doesn't speak English as a first language. Not to say they would be bad at teaching, just there might be some imperfections parents might not want. There are also idioms, expressions, and nuances common to all the countries on the list.
Not trying to be rude, but judging by your English skills you shouldn’t be getting more than 10,000 an hour.
Blah, Blah, Blah. Get real...It is what it is. Most youngins come here as an extension of college life and it's down right easy. Get to wake up late after a late night and have kids read, recite, and regurgitate. 95% of "teachers" aren't doing sqaut to change anyone's lives here. Sure, have your instagram pics of you and the kids with peace signs but as we all know it's the kids who's parents have the biggest bank accounts come out ahead in the end. Has nothing to do with "Engrish". Teachers are pawns which directors use to market to parents. Sadly, those who wanna bitch about 20,000 a class neglet to think how Korean teachers are treated. Those are the true dedicated teachers that are paid way less and work longer hours. Lay out 100,000 in cash on a coffee table for handful of hours to read a workbook to a foreigner it's beer money. To a Korean teacher, it's living. You act like it's working in the god damn hot sun shoveling shit. It's sitting on your ass listening to a DVD!!!! Stop your entitlement cause most of you aren't TEACHERS! You know who you are out there. Laugh how easy money and it's basically baby-sitting. Do yourself a favor and look at your Korean co-workers who make less but work more than YOU! Buy them donuts and say thank you cause they're the ones that enable you to have that job. Most of you can't or don't want to find a job back home so you're here saving, partying, and hopefully getting some action away from home. Can't wait when the day comes you sit in 2 hour traffic rat race with a mortgage and real bills.
My point is shut your yap about how 20,000 is chump change cause subbing classes can be done half asleep. And for christ sakes, please for the love of Budha stop glorifying your position. You're not a teacher! We all know those morons who can't even formulate a complete sentence but yet they're either handsome or pretty and get those high dollar tutoring gigs as well.
Ok, too much soju, peace out. Can't wait to hear the hate from "teachers"
I concur with most of what you say. Korean instructors do work very hard and get paid too little. There are some kids who do take the proverbial here. However, if you, or anyone, thinks this is an easy job, they are probably not doing it properly in my opinion. This job is not a full-time position, and there is no medical insurance or other costs.
Let's be real. Those recent grads that come to Korea thinking they'll change kid's future last about a year. They soon figure out head teachers and directors don't want you to think outside the box and just follow lesson plans which include the expensive workbooks they invest in every so often. Read and recite out of workbook and listen to dvds. Afterwards, it's hangman time. So yeah, those that stay after their first year realize how easy it is for decent pay, housing, medical insurance, and pensions. I challenge anyone to argue they're getting underpaid for the time and effort they put into "teaching" here. Christ sakes, idiots complain about desk warming while under salary pay. Meanwhile they look over and see korean teachers dealing with butt pain parents that are moaning about why their kid isn't excelling in speaking skills. Give me one fairytale story about a student who succeeded in life and kept in touch with their foreign teacher I will throw a huge party at any bar. Fact, this post had people chiming in about how 20,000 is ridiculous but yet that's more than the minimum wage from their home country. Tell me, flippin burgers for less or hang out with kids for a few hours a day and hang out?
My original comment was in response to a very low offer.
Lower than most E2 visa holders earn and a ridiculous figure for those who could legally do it
7 hours for 80,000(4 classes) is 11,400 per hour.
"Wow. And people think English teaching is a rip off."
The pot calling the kettle black