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 A brief overview of the Koreabridge renovation plan is here

What else would you like to see included in this site?  What are some of the challenges/annoynances from Pusanweb, Koreabridge, or other sites you'd like this site to avoid?

notopri
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How about changing to a

How about changing to a standard format intead of this mess. I can't even see other posts except for the Op. Also, where is the quote button? Whoever switched to this format needs a good talking to because it is not user friendly nor convenient.

tharp42
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Here's a better idea:

How about changing to another website you silly, whining child?

notopri
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Gee people are abusive on

Gee people are abusive on this forum. It is not whining when they ask for suggestions. Hey manager, I thought you said you were being very strict about abusive posters, so far I have had 2 attack me for no reason.

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No, reason? A girl has her

No, reason? A girl has her purse stolen and you go into a technical anal rant about losing vs. stolen. What kind of 'suggestion' were you offering to her?

If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. Tone is down somewhat and perhaps people won't jump on you.

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Notopri, 

  The goal around here is to provide a useful, helpful space for the community that uses this site.  We're pretty strict about insults and personal attacks because they rarely lead anywhere useful or helpful.  While your last few comments haven't contained explicit insults, they've had a pretty nasty tone and were just unnecessarily snarky.  When people call you on that, I'm inclined to cut them a little more slack than usual as far as personal attacks.  Maybe you were just having a bad week or perhaps you're used to the kind of verbal sparring that takes place on other sites and used to take place on the old KB forums.  Just not the way I want things to work around here.  I totally understand if that makes this site unappealing for some, but many others are turned off by the nastiness and won't bother posting if they feel like they're going to be attacked for asking a sincere question. 

As far as your comments about the site - again, unnecessarily snarky, but you raise some valid points.  Believe me, I realize this site is far from perfect  and I really do want to work with users to make it better.  The reason that the forums don't look like 'normal forums' is because this site using a content management system called Drupal that allows us to have classifieds, a calendar, photo, video, & audio sections, automatically aggregate blogs, and a user control ad system, all of which can be sorted by location and/or topic and uses a single login. I've spent A LOT of time building all of that functionality, but definitely need to improve some aspects of design and interface. 


Re: your specific complaints.  You'll notice now that the 'add a comment' box is at the bottom of the page, so you can see all previous comments of that thread.   Personally, I've never liked all the quoting that goes on in some forum threads, but am open to being swayed by the community.  For me, it's rarely needed and just makes finding the new content more difficult. It also seems to lend itself more to the verbal sparring kind of discussion than answering the original question.  What do other folks think?  Support easier quoting or not?

I'll start experimenting with a few different options for providing quote options (although they might not be exactly like 'normal forums').   If you are anyone else has other suggestions or glitch reports, I welcome and appreciate the feedback.  Just remember that I have spent literally thousands of hours building this site, have barely broken even over the years, and am most appreciative when people are willing to work together on a solution or improvement as opposed to simply sitting back and sniping complaints. 
 

 

notopri
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"You'll notice now that the

"You'll notice now that the 'add a comment' box is at the bottom of the page, so you can see all previous comments of that thread. "

I saw that after I posted, seems the 'reply' button gives a different screen and that was what I was using.

"While your last few comments haven't contained explicit insults, they've had a pretty nasty tone and were "

I would stop with the false accusations, I have yet to be anything but friendly in my posts. It is quite clear that you and the other poster have a problem with Vhristians as I did not rant, made no insulting remarks and I know you cannot read minds via a typed post. Clearly, this forum needs its people to learn a few basic manners like--clarifying first before attacking.

From what I see this is a dead forum anyways and I wasn't going to hang around but since you decided to go after the victim not the perpetrator (and make false accusations and allow them to happen) I may change that and just stick around to bug everyone now.

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Manager,

I don't mind the way the site it setup, I like the simplicity and don't mind the format.  I agree with the no quoting in replies but maybe replies to a post midway through a discussion could be indented (I like how like slashdot.org does it).

Another thing I wouldn't mind would be post voting.  Maybe by voting up good answers and voting down the bad ones answers could be more easily found.  Allowing voting after signing would be good to avoid abuse.  People could then understand whether their posts were helpful or not and this could be used to try and direct conversations into useful/helpful territory.  If abuse is still a problem then possibly expanding to create a points system rating users by their responses may be useful (see superuser.com) 

Last thing would be a sitemap.  Maybe it exists but I can't find it easily.  Building a good website is tough - keep up the good work.

JakeRue

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Thanks for the suggestions
Jakerue -  Thanks very much for the suggestions.  I've added a site map link to the navigation block that is on the left side of most KB pages.  We have a '+1' widget for most types of posts (including forum posts), but for individual comments.  I like the Slashdot look and functionality as well. Will look into how doable that is. 

Notopri - I really try not to suspend or ban people unless absolutely necessary, but declaring that you may just 'stick around to bug us' is very troll-like and gets you a big step closer to a ban.  I'm not quite sure why you think I have a problem with 'Vhristians', but I can assure you I welcome participation and viewpoints from all.

To all, keep the suggestions coming. Examples you like of how things are done on other sites are especially helpful
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"I really try not to suspend

"I really try not to suspend or ban people unless absolutely necessary, but declaring that you may just 'stick around to bug us' is very troll-like and gets a bit step closer to a ban.  I'm not quite sure why you think I have a problem with 'Vhristians', but I can assure you I welcome participation and viewpoints from all. "

It was a typo which I am sure you already knew but wanted to drag down the discussion further by your remarks that contradict what you tell me.

I really wonder about people and their English comprehension as 'bug' certainly does not mean 'troll' but your leap to a false conclusion is astounding in its speed and breadth. The reading in some people do to other's posts is amazing and people around here should learn to clarify not assume before responding.

With that said, the quote box option is vital for discussion as people need to quote others to get clarification, to address specific written points and to let others in on the context of the exchange. But ultimately it is your forum and you get to do what you want, though the majority is not always, if it is at all, correct. The format is not my cup of tea and maybe that is good as it will keep a lot of people from posting here.

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Clarify what you wish to say then.

 notopri, if you do not wish to be misunderstood, perhaps a little clarity in your comments would be benificial.

The format here is VERY acceptable to the majority of the individuals who contribute to the forum. Because the format is not to your liking, would you agree that as it is "not your cup of tea, it will keep a lot of other people from posting" this statement could be misconstrued as a little arrogant. Again, perhaps a little proof reading would also go a long way to preventing your "in your face" reaction.

I note that you are fairly new to the forum. Perhaps it may a better way forward if you were to absorb the flavour of the site a little while longer, and see what the forum pages are about.

The manager has made a very valid point here, discussion, even a little anger, does no harm, but please come to the table with something positive to offer. 

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Slashdotization Experiment

As you can probably see, I've started experimenting with a Drupal module that adds a slashdot type of look and functionality. Still got a bit of tweaking to do and there may be some bugs. If you have any feedback or come across any glitches, please let me know.

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 I like it!  Looks good so far.  I like the color coding for my own posts and the responses to posts within threads is very helpful.  A few things... 

#1. I can rate a post but that rating doesn't really carry on to the next time that person posts....I mean the +'s don't move to other posts....maybe will go on with next post the person makes?

#2.  Are other options available with the ratings?  How about Baiting?  Not Helpful? Useful?  Maybe some more input from others to decide which categories would be most useful.

#3 when replying to a post the default subject should be Re:post name to lessen confusion.   Maybe it won'tbe with the slashdot system but can a default subject be set?

#4 Not possible to rate the original post?

#5 Annoying to have to reload the whole page when I press the Moderate button.  Anyway to simply rate through the dropdown without needing to click the button?

#6 Change the word 'Moderate'' to 'Rate'

I don't know how many options the module has (or how game you are for editing it) but just a few thoughts.  It's going to be cool to see how this rating system works.  Maybe next month have a top rated posters on the front page so people have an idea who to listen to on the replies.  Keep the updates rolling....

Jakerue

 

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Excellent suggestions. #2, #3, & #6 were pretty easy to set up and have been implemented. This module has somewhat limited scope and doesn't have a particularly active development team, so I don't think #1 or #4 are doable (at least for now). The '+1 module' does provides a rating system for posts and there may be other modules that provide some aspects of user rating, but I'm concerned about having too many rating systems activated at the same time - can cause confusion and add to server load. Totally agree about #5 - would love to find a way around this, but haven't come across anything yet. I'm still not sure about this slashdot module. Some things I quite like. Will be interesting to see how others play out. Thanks again for the useful feedback.
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False accusations abound and false labeling. I do not care how you set your forum up, it is your decision. I wonder why you ask for suggestions since you obviously had something in mind already for style and format.

I would love to see the quote box returned as it is germane to discussions and makes responding so much easier. 

By the way, the word 'trolling ' is misused and too often distorted in order to manipulate public opinion. I have never trolled and haven't started here.

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The modules that automatically quote the entire post being replied to aren't very ripe and even if they were,  I still don't think I want to include that functionality, but I have enabled a new 'wysiwyg' editor that should made selective quoting look more like quoting. 

For example, Notopri says

the word 'trolling ' is misused and too often distorted in order to manipulate public opinion. I have never trolled and haven't started here

according to Wikipedia

 a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, .... with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

Whether you are intentionally trying to provoke or not, I can tell you in all honestly that some (not alll) of your posts strike me as unnecessarily combative and  rather tone-deaf to what has already been discussed in a thread. 

To use the quotation formatting simply highlight the desired text and press the indent icon (shown below)

indent

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OK mod(manager), thanks for the changes, looks good.

One thing from the list of options I would like back is "Informative" ..... maybe the list could be Normal, Helpful, Unhelpful, Informative, Trolling, Useful, Interesting, and Funny  ?  List as you like it's just semantics but I like to use "Informative".

I am with Notopri on the quoting (thought I seldom use it).  Glad to see it's in there.

If the user ratings don't mix in easily maybe it wouldn't be worth it.  It isn't about rating people, it's about rating the usefulness of the answers.  If answers are useful and helpful then people will want to read them and vote them up.  I think the rating system could be used to increase the quality of the posts, catering to what people want to read. The ratings shouldn't be used to abuse users either, corrective action can come from the mod if it's necessary (maybe users rating post quality could be helpful). 

Anyway take a look and see what happens to the post ratings over the week.  Maybe people like it, maybe they don't, users are fickle creatures.  I know I like it!

JakeRue

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Re: Koreabridge Wishlist

Notpori,

you just called me hypocritical pond scum because my response to getting run down by a minivan wasn't dropping the charges to make foreigners look good. 

You're as big a troll as they come dude...

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Re: Koreabridge Wishlist

I agree with notorpi and after viewing this board, I want no part of it as it is filled with all the worst westerners possible including the owner/manager. This place has always been badly run and the people who own and run this place are the most unintelligent on the planet.

I have read notopri's posts and I can honestly say the following is dead wrong

"Whether you are intentionally trying to provoke or not, I can tell you in all honestly that some (not alll) of your posts strike me as unnecessarily combative and  rather tone-deaf to what has already been discussed in a thread.  "

But then any moderator/owner of K-bridge never had the reputation of having the elevator go to the top floor.

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"you just called me hypocritical pond scum because my response to getting run down by a minivan wasn't dropping the charges to make foreigners look good. "

You need to re-read what he said as your distortion doesn't fit the actual words but then you seem to fit his words perfectly. Anyone who considers blackmailing a woman is lower than pond-scum.

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Re: Koreabridge Wishlist

A way to sort search results.  Searched for a bike and got ads from feb showing up before an ad from 4 days ago.  Oh, and I know its probably a big headache but hey its a wishlist: what about dividing the classifieds into separate searchable sections (housing, automotive, housewares, etc.)? That way we could search specifically for cars under 5,000,000 or couches in the last 2 weeks, or whatever.  

Search abilities or no, great job on the site, I know we all appreciate it

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Re: Koreabridge Wishlist

I have another one - movie listings.  To find that page I need to use google.  Maybe list that page under Media at the top? 

Also I may be a dummy but I still don't see that site map link.  Maybe a screenshot would help.... 

Jakerue

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Re: Koreabridge Wishlist
Good suggestions dcross & jakerue.

Got the search results tweaked so that most recent should now appear on top. There a couple of different ways to create sub-sections for different kinds of items. Not sure how much better they'd work than a decent search, but will look into it and report back.

Have reordered and changed a few of the options on the rating system.
Missing sitemap was my bad - a permissions issue. Should see it now on the navigation menu along with a menu item for Movie listings.  It links directly to http://koreamovietimes.com/ since they do a much better job than we ever could of keeping listings updated. 

Thanks and keep 'em coming, 
Jeff
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