Feedback Wanted: 'Hiring Preferences' in Job ads

The 'legal and ethical' questions are two separate ones. If there are indeed any legal questions, the lawyer would be the first person to ask. As to the ethical question, those seem to change from one person to the next, from one year to the next. Suffice it to say there are far more conflicts and shades of gray than any policy is able to guide.

Perhaps a system that plays it like a matchmaking site - a 'required' section, and an 'ideal' section. Allow it to be freeform, with the understanding that it's best for all that that both boxes have some content. The hiring bias will be there whether it's stated or not - any expat in the country knows that. I'd rather not waste my time applying for a job looking for a woman, for example. 

We're neither in a position to change the moral and ethical standards of the country, nor is it our place. It constitutes a business decision, then, to offer the services to meet your clients and visitors needs.

They want a white female-so what! I am more offended that jobs get posted on here that are

better suited for squaters than university graduates and that we cannot even comment on them.

 

I find hiring criteria based on appearance to be repugnant and if I saw a job calling for a fat ugly man I would refuse to apply due to that reason.

It is repugnant but I would rather know their criteria to save myself from applying.

The other solution is to charge more for advertisements that are racist, or sexist and teach them through the market mechanism.

"When in Rome, do better than the Romans do."

Of course no preferences should be allowed.  Joshuabeagle is right no adds for any money for those who pay less than 2.3 per month or less than 35 per hour  even if there are 3-5 hours in a row.   I would prefer no adds allowed for those who pay less than 2.5 per month.  

I am not sure why anyone thinks that asking the website administrator to limit posts to those that make teachers happy will have any affect on the going rate of teaching...

I am sure that none of us would like to take less than 40k an hour, or if we had our choice 150k would be great.

But thinking that Kbridge has any control is simply laughable. 

 

So it would look like...

Jeff agrees to change the policy to not accept adds that post less than 35k or 2.5, Kbridge simply has 1/3-2/3's less adds. Or at 2.5 95% less adds.

Teachers not accepting sub standard jobs changes things, not a websight... all this would do, is force teachers to contact recruiters directly, or bring about a new websight.

You can make more money back home waitering than here. 2.2mil is not even 2g a month. I am not complaining as I like my job and situation but coming here now is not like when coming here back in 2003 when 2mil was worth almost $2400. New peeps do not realize how lousy the conditions here are now but relative to back home I guess they can seem okay. Shows how sad the times are everywhere, though, I guess.

I came here in 2003. 2mil WON was about 2300Canadian-2002 it was better. Hard to remember. Now it is under 1800. I guess I should have said Canadian. Perhaps American dollar you are thinking. The Canadian dollar was not as high back then.

I think a few of the people really have no idea what the hagwon job market is like in Busan these days. They probably haven't applied for a hagwon job in a while or are frustrated that they can't make what they want to make so I understand why they are complaining. However, their logic is way off.

 

It would be ridiculous to ban jobs under 2.5 million or 40,000/hr. Really, how stupid is that? That would be like banning job wanted ads from anyone that doesn't have a teaching license. It would eliminate 95+% of the job ads and people would just go visit a different website. There are so many esl websites popping up these days so how is PusanWeb going to change the pay rate?

 

Also, does anyone here have any idea how recruiting works? Recruiters don't set the pay, the schools do. 2 years ago, a school wants a teacher and they get 1 or 2 applicants. Maybe they don't get any applicants so they have to raise the salary to 2.3 or 2.4 to find someone. Maybe the hours are longer or the location isn't so great, so they raise the salary to 2.5 or 2.6 until they hire someone. These days, schools probably get 10 or 20 applicants so why would they be raising the pay? That is why they are lowering the pay as someone will take the job for less.

 

And limiting what can be posted or not in a job ad is not going to change who gets hired. I also agree that it will save time. If a school wants a woman working there, they are not going to hire a male teacher. It just means you have all these men applying to the job and they won't get hired. If I'm looking for a job andthere are only 5 schools that will potentially hire me, I want to be talkign to these schools. I don't want to be wasting my time applying to 20 schools because of some sense of political correctness.

 

And people have to remember that most of these jobs are regular hagwon teaching jobs. They are like an entry level position at a company, like working in the mail room. It doesn't matter to the school if you are new at it or if you've been doing it for 40 years, the work is the same. A lot of people complain that the've been teaching so many years in Busan but the pay hasn't changed. Well, that's because the job hasn't changed.

 

But like a previous post said, the pay is not going to change because of a PusanWeb posting policy. The hiring practice is not going to change either.

 

In an ideal world a candidate "should" be chosen based on qualifications not age, gender, race, etc. Now that being said, I'd much prefer the jobs offered section to include gender preference so I'm not wasting my time applying to multiple female only positions. Which seems to be the case lately. I rather be told the truth about a position, even if the truth is bias. This will result in a more efficient application process. I agrees that it's discriminatory, but for the sake of saving time would much rather put up with it to increase efficiencies in job searching. Any thoughts?

I think it's better to know up front what an employer wants as you will then kmow exactly where you stand in relation to what he/she is looking for. This means that it's not a waste of your time or theirs.

Korea is a country where political correctness/incorrectness is hidden behind the innate, thousands of years, DNA embeded thing called "face". This means they say one thing but mean another, they will always be nice and polite, but underneath they know exactly what they want/how they feel. Koreans as with most Asians are never straight up or direct it's not in their culture.

The truth of the matter (and this is a generalisation) is that the majority of recruiters/employers ideally want 20-30 year old blond, blue-eyed, attractive females who speak with a North American accent. Life experience, teaching experience, >40/50 years,  appropriate qualifications, non-caucasian, coming from a native English speaking country other than US or Canada and being unattractive in any way count for nothing or against you.

So when it comes to hiring parameters I'd rather all the cards were on the table.

I can beat that. I first came here in 2002, and was paid 2 million. After a year, I continued at the same school, and got a raise to 2.1 million. I'm back in 2013, and the pay is the same. You can't be expected to be paid according to your qualifications. Anyone with half a brain can teach these classes. But having said that, there are good teachers who care about their students, and bad teachers who just want to go out drinking every night. The job might be the same as 10 years ago, but the cost of living isn't. It really bugs me when I see a jod ad for 'female only', but at least it saves me time from applying. As much as we being foreigners don't like a lot of the way Korean culture is, (dirty, their driving, lack of manners) we're never going to change it. It's going to take Koreans to change it.